Cutting through thickets and a multitude of variations I discovered from real work - and confirmation from a ‘birdie’ - that S136 has become a basket of nightmares at S136 suites when there are NO BEDS! In many necks of woods (and I have no hard data), when the 36-hour limit (via S136B) has been e…

Why not just use Section 140 MHA?

What do you mean by “use” s.140? That is simply a duty to give information.

If they are patients who would otherwise be detained under s2/3, hospitals could do exactly that (if the forms have been completed, of course). Legally, I can’t see why you need to have found a bed on a ward first. Admission is to a hospital, not a ward. s136 suites are part of a hospital. In the s…

I think the elephant in the room from Captain Walker’s original post is the catastrophic decimation of mental health services caused by gigantic austerity cuts to public health services. The NHS was least affected by this compared to local authorities and the welfare state. Demand for mental health …

It’s an error to think this is about austerity (in the sense that most people mean public sector cuts from 2010 onwards). The problem outlined in the OP is no doubt a more frequently problem now than previously, but this stuff was a problem throughout the Blair-Brown Labour government’s days the ma…

I respect your immense experience Michael but I will not change my views on this one.

I think many people keep going on about cuts and lack of finances as an easy excuse to why MH services have failed. As you can see with the VC case - simple things like good clear communication and united collaboration between each and every one of these services could make a massive difference wit…

Nobody is suggesting you should change your view, Neil - just ensuring you’re aware the things you attribute to post-2010 politics were happening, in large number, years before 2010. Pointing this out doesn’t mean I’m attempting to pretend the problem didn’t become much worse after 2010 - it obviou…

Hi Russell, as you imply, relying on common law necessity for more than a minimal period has been a no-no since Cheshire West, and possibly since HL (the Bournewood case). Though Trusts continue to cite it, unlawfully. I am with Richard- if the Trust will agree to accept the section papers at the P…

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