Hi Following medical scrutiny of two electronic s2 medical recommendations the doctor has queried the legality of the detention after it had become apparent that the medical opinion given on the two separate forms were literally word for word (with an addition of an one extra sentence). It therefor…

What leads you to believe that this situation puts the legality of the s.2 in doubt?

We had a section declared invalid for this very reason recently. We felt that if it was a joint recc it should be on the right form and if it was not the reasons should be independently arrived at.

The Act (or the Regulations) does not require ‘joint opinions’ to be recorded as a joint medical recommendation.

[image] anonymous34: ..it had become apparent that the medical opinion given on the two separate forms were literally word for word (with an addition of an one extra sentence). It therefore appears to have been a copy and paste situation. This cut and paste situation implies that one of the o…

I think the argument is not so much about the copy and pasting or the wording being identical or it being a joint recommendation - what this situation represents is whether or not two individual professionals submitted two individual observations about the patient arriving at their own individual co…

It is not necessary for the recommending doctors to submit an individual opinion if it is, in fact, a joint recommendation- but they need to do it on a the correct form. Just out of interest , Sarah, are you using AI to write your answers? I agree with much of what you have said on this occasion bu…

Completing a s23 discharge is validating the s2, so why discharge if it is valid?

OP is citing s2 recommendations - they do not mention any reference to a joint recommendation. So, it followed the usual process of the Mental Health Act 1983 featuring two ST12 doctors. Two independent doctors are required by law to submit their recommendations - not as a joint collaboration - indi…

Sarah- two doctors are required but can submit a joint recommendation. I repeat my query about whether you are using AI

I think Anthony meant yo say ‘why discharge section if it is invalid’ - which is a good point as an invalid section never took effect. However I do prefer it to be discharged by s23 in that scenario as it can cause confusion otherwise.

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Two medical recommendations for s2 which are 99.9% identical

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