# \#mha-forms **URL:** https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/tag/mha-forms/46.md [Latest](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/latest.md) · [Categories](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/categories.md) · [Tags](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/tags.md) --- ## [H5 section 3 renewal](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/t/h5-section-3-renewal/6167)
**Author:** [@sen75](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/u/sen75)\ **Replies:** 4\ **Last updated:** [28 September 2026 16:02 UTC](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/t/h5-section-3-renewal/6167 "2026-09-28T16:02:16Z")
H5 s3 renewal completed by RC and Staff nurse at Hospital A and addressed to managers of Hospital A. Patient transferred to Hospital B the same day but before Part 4 is signed and the MHAA at Hospital B has signed the p… --- ## [Amendment of section papers using app that re-dates document with incorrect date](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/t/amendment-of-section-papers-using-app-that-re-dates-document-with-incorrect-date/5877)
**Author:** [@Karen](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/u/Karen)\ **Replies:** 4\ **Last updated:** [14 July 2026 11:30 UTC](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/t/amendment-of-section-papers-using-app-that-re-dates-document-with-incorrect-date/5877 "2026-07-14T11:30:39Z")
Our local trust has brought in a new system by which section papers can be amended under Rule 15 MHA apparently using an ‘App’ . The problem is that the App automatically re- dates the document so that the amended Appli… --- ## [Fresh forms needed when only bed is in hospital not named on s2 application?](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/t/fresh-forms-needed-when-only-bed-is-in-hospital-not-named-on-s2-application/5895)
**Author:** [@becess](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/u/becess)\ **Replies:** 2\ **Last updated:** [10 July 2026 22:43 UTC](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/t/fresh-forms-needed-when-only-bed-is-in-hospital-not-named-on-s2-application/5895 "2026-07-10T22:43:53Z")
Not currently in this position but trying to plan ahead for all eventualities. Application for S2 made to a bed that was available at the point of assessment. P leaves before conveyance (had no legal powers to prevent P… --- ## [Defective Form A6 if reason for proceeding without consulting NR incomplete?](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/t/defective-form-a6-if-reason-for-proceeding-without-consulting-nr-incomplete/5776)
**Author:** [@RKM](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/u/RKM)\ **Replies:** 5\ **Last updated:** [2 July 2026 11:34 UTC](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/t/defective-form-a6-if-reason-for-proceeding-without-consulting-nr-incomplete/5776 "2026-07-02T11:34:49Z")
Good afternoon. I’d be grateful for views on a nearest relative issue in a s3 case. Facts: Patient already detained under s2 when s3 application made. Form A6: AMHP records NR not consulted on the basis they ar… --- ## [What is a "Form 1-15 - Regulation 13 (1), (2) and (3)" compared with the usual Form H5?](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/t/what-is-a-form-1-15-regulation-13-1-2-and-3-compared-with-the-usual-form-h5/5763)
**Author:** [@Angell](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/u/Angell)\ **Replies:** 4\ **Last updated:** [24 June 2026 11:47 UTC](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/t/what-is-a-form-1-15-regulation-13-1-2-and-3-compared-with-the-usual-form-h5/5763 "2026-06-24T11:47:22Z")
Hi, I have been sent a section 20 renewal of detention but instead of the usual H5 it’s a form I’ve not seen before. How does the Form 1-15 - Regulation 13 (1), (2) and (3) differ from the H5 please? Kind regards, A --- ## [Is the H5 - Section 20—renewal of authority for detention - form valid?](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/t/is-the-h5-section-20-renewal-of-authority-for-detention-form-valid/5736)
**Author:** [@anonymous34](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/u/anonymous34)\ **Replies:** 1\ **Last updated:** [15 June 2026 22:35 UTC](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/t/is-the-h5-section-20-renewal-of-authority-for-detention-form-valid/5736 "2026-06-15T22:35:33Z")
Hi Patient under s3 has had their detention renewed by the RC completing the above and the new period of detention has come into legal effect. During administrative scrutiny it has come to our attention that the box in… --- ## [Any MHAAs here? Patient's name wrongly spelt on section papers](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/t/any-mhaas-here-patients-name-wrongly-spelt-on-section-papers/5704)
**Author:** [@wendy2](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/u/wendy2)\ **Replies:** 0\ **Last updated:** [1 June 2026 15:17 UTC](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/t/any-mhaas-here-patients-name-wrongly-spelt-on-section-papers/5704 "2026-06-01T15:17:15Z")
I have a client who has an unusual spelling to his first name. He has been sectioned and his first name has a spelling error consistently over all of his s3 paperwork. He checked and his NHS App also spelt his name spelt… --- ## [Medical Scrutiny of Recommendations](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/t/medical-scrutiny-of-recommendations/5471)
**Author:** [@A.Ramsden](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/u/A.Ramsden)\ **Replies:** 4\ **Last updated:** [15 April 2026 19:14 UTC](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/t/medical-scrutiny-of-recommendations/5471 "2026-04-15T19:14:21Z")
If a medical recommendation A8, has failed medical scrutiny for not satisfying the criteria, can it firstly be amended? Secondly, can it be sent to a second scrutineer to see if they will pass it? --- ## [CTO renewal papers (part 4 pre-dates parts 1,2 and 3)](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/t/cto-renewal-papers-part-4-pre-dates-parts-1-2-and-3/5077)
**Author:** [@JoeRobinson](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/u/JoeRobinson)\ **Replies:** 4\ **Last updated:** [3 February 2026 09:54 UTC](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/t/cto-renewal-papers-part-4-pre-dates-parts-1-2-and-3/5077 "2026-02-03T09:54:40Z")
Good morning, if there are CTO renewal where part 4 pre-dates parts 1,2 and 3 what does that mean for the CTO if it has since been renewed on a number of occasions since then? Would it make the CTO invalid? And does the … --- ## [Two medical recommendations for s2 which are 99.9% identical](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/t/two-medical-recommendations-for-s2-which-are-99-9-identical/4885)
**Author:** [@anonymous34](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/u/anonymous34)\ **Replies:** 12\ **Last updated:** [26 January 2026 09:46 UTC](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/t/two-medical-recommendations-for-s2-which-are-99-9-identical/4885 "2026-01-26T09:46:51Z")
Hi Following medical scrutiny of two electronic s2 medical recommendations the doctor has queried the legality of the detention after it had become apparent that the medical opinion given on the two separate forms were … --- ## [Patient recommended for s2 absconds without legal paperwork completed](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/t/patient-recommended-for-s2-absconds-without-legal-paperwork-completed/3145)
**Author:** [@Daisy2019](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/u/Daisy2019)\ **Replies:** 5\ **Last updated:** [19 December 2025 17:41 UTC](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/t/patient-recommended-for-s2-absconds-without-legal-paperwork-completed/3145 "2025-12-19T17:41:44Z")
If a patient is told they are recommended for section 2 but paperwork is not completed, the patient absconds while waiting for bed. Is it putting the patient at risk to self and risk to others if left to stay in communit… --- ## [What if AMHP does not explain why neither doctor has previous acquaintance?](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/t/what-if-amhp-does-not-explain-why-neither-doctor-has-previous-acquaintance/4728)
**Author:** [@Kemmasokol](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/u/Kemmasokol)\ **Replies:** 3\ **Last updated:** [2 December 2025 17:05 UTC](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/t/what-if-amhp-does-not-explain-why-neither-doctor-has-previous-acquaintance/4728 "2025-12-02T17:05:22Z")
If the two doctors do not have previous acquaintance with the patient, and the AMHP does not provide an explanation for why a doctor who knew the patient could not be found, does that make the section invalid? --- ## [Section 5(2) - H1 part 2](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/t/section-5-2-h1-part-2/4643)
**Author:** [@JPB](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/u/JPB)\ **Replies:** 10\ **Last updated:** [19 November 2025 10:01 UTC](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/t/section-5-2-h1-part-2/4643 "2025-11-19T10:01:29Z")
Am I right in thinking the 5(2) holding powers start the moment the doctor furnishes the form H1 to the internal mail system (assuming they’ve timed and dated it) and failure to complete part 2 does not invalidate this a… --- ## [Section 2 start date](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/t/section-2-start-date/4634)
**Author:** [@Kemmasokol](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/u/Kemmasokol)\ **Replies:** 1\ **Last updated:** [13 November 2025 13:05 UTC](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/t/section-2-start-date/4634 "2025-11-13T13:05:29Z")
The patient for section 2 was admitted to the ward on 21/09/2025 at 20:40 hours. The AMHP signed the A2 form on 21/09/2025, but the H3 form (Part 1a) states that date of admission 21/09/2025, but it was h3 signed on 2… --- ## [Should lawyer check s3 papers for CTO client?](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/t/should-lawyer-check-s3-papers-for-cto-client/4433)
**Author:** [@Kemmasokol](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/u/Kemmasokol)\ **Replies:** 5\ **Last updated:** [14 October 2025 22:59 UTC](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/t/should-lawyer-check-s3-papers-for-cto-client/4433 "2025-10-14T22:59:31Z")
My client is on a CTO. Is it enough to review the CTO papers, or do I also need to review the section 3 papers? --- ## [Section 2 patient - A2 form does not indicate if P informed of their rights nor if NR was consulted ](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/t/section-2-patient-a2-form-does-not-indicate-if-p-informed-of-their-rights-nor-if-nr-was-consulted/4143)
**Author:** [@anonymous47](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/u/anonymous47)\ **Replies:** 0\ **Last updated:** [29 August 2025 21:57 UTC](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/t/section-2-patient-a2-form-does-not-indicate-if-p-informed-of-their-rights-nor-if-nr-was-consulted/4143 "2025-08-29T21:57:31Z")
What is the position on the validity of a section 2 where the A2 form has a line drawn through the sections which should identify the nearest relative and also to clarity if the patient has been informed of their rights?… --- ## [Defective section papers (s2 application doesn't say whether NR informed)](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/t/defective-section-papers-s2-application-doesnt-say-whether-nr-informed/4039)
**Author:** [@anonymous70](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/u/anonymous70)\ **Replies:** 3\ **Last updated:** [29 August 2025 16:46 UTC](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/t/defective-section-papers-s2-application-doesnt-say-whether-nr-informed/4039 "2025-08-29T16:46:15Z")
What do we think about s 2 papers which do not show on the face of the application whether or not the NR has been informed, although the AMHP says she was? ( She did not delete either ‘informed or not informed’ )Is there… --- ## [Part 2 signature and date of form H5 missing, and accidentally added to Part 4](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/t/part-2-signature-and-date-of-form-h5-missing-and-accidentally-added-to-part-4/3906)
**Author:** [@anonymous34](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/u/anonymous34)\ **Replies:** 1\ **Last updated:** [19 July 2025 21:28 UTC](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/t/part-2-signature-and-date-of-form-h5-missing-and-accidentally-added-to-part-4/3906 "2025-07-19T21:28:52Z")
Hi The RC consulted with the patients RMN in Part 1 and then signed off/dated Part 1. The RC then asked the same RMN to provide their written statement by signing off/adding date in Part 2 - however the RMN accidentally… --- ## [Missing examination date in joint medical recommendation](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/t/missing-examination-date-in-joint-medical-recommendation/3394)
**Author:** [@MariaO](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/u/MariaO)\ **Replies:** 2\ **Last updated:** [9 March 2025 17:06 UTC](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/t/missing-examination-date-in-joint-medical-recommendation/3394 "2025-03-09T17:06:33Z")
Hi All, I need your expert advice. On a joint medical recommendation for Section 2, one of the doctors did not include the date of examination on the form. Does this error make the joint medical recommendation invalid? … --- ## [New T2 required on RC's return from leave?](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/t/new-t2-required-on-rcs-return-from-leave/2734)
**Author:** [@Jane](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/u/Jane)\ **Replies:** 7\ **Last updated:** [11 December 2024 09:58 UTC](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/t/new-t2-required-on-rcs-return-from-leave/2734 "2024-12-11T09:58:21Z")
We have a patient whose 3-month rule expired during a period their RC being on leave. The covering RC completed the T2. My question is Should a new T2 be completed by the patient’s RC following their leave? --- ## [Execution of s135(1) warrant](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/t/execution-of-s135-1-warrant/3038)
**Author:** [@anonymous34](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/u/anonymous34)\ **Replies:** 3\ **Last updated:** [10 December 2024 15:07 UTC](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/t/execution-of-s135-1-warrant/3038 "2024-12-10T15:07:35Z")
Hi Quick question. If the endorsement page of s135(1) warrant is not completed by the police constable - but it was executed by the police (with doctor/AMHP in attendance) and the patient was removed to a HBPoS for asse… --- ## [Incorrect Section Expiry Date on H5](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/t/incorrect-section-expiry-date-on-h5/2905)
**Author:** [@AllyDT](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/u/AllyDT)\ **Replies:** 4\ **Last updated:** [8 November 2024 08:30 UTC](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/t/incorrect-section-expiry-date-on-h5/2905 "2024-11-08T08:30:34Z")
Good afternoon all, I have noticed that the incorrect expiry date has been entered onto P’s most recent H5. The section was due to expire the day after the date that has been inputted onto the H5. I have tried every Goo… --- ## [Accidental CTO1](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/t/accidental-cto1/2867)
**Author:** [@anonymous34](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/u/anonymous34)\ **Replies:** 3\ **Last updated:** [29 October 2024 07:01 UTC](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/t/accidental-cto1/2867 "2024-10-29T07:01:34Z")
Hi all CTO1 commenced/completed by the RC - part 1 - and AMHP part 2 - around 2 months ago - was signed off by the same RC - part 3 - accidentally - for a patient who is unfortunately still too unwell to be discharged o… --- ## [Can a file note on section papers be done even after 14 days has passed?](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/t/can-a-file-note-on-section-papers-be-done-even-after-14-days-has-passed/2869)
**Author:** [@Arthur](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/u/Arthur)\ **Replies:** 1\ **Last updated:** [25 October 2024 11:30 UTC](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/t/can-a-file-note-on-section-papers-be-done-even-after-14-days-has-passed/2869 "2024-10-25T11:30:49Z")
Continuing the discussion from Section 3 - name of where treatment is available not mentioned on the A8 form: Thank you, that really helps. Can a file note be done even after 14 days has passed? We have a patient on th… --- ## [Issues with joint medical recommendation](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/t/issues-with-joint-medical-recommendation/2836)
**Author:** [@anonymous34](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/u/anonymous34)\ **Replies:** 1\ **Last updated:** [17 October 2024 13:54 UTC](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/t/issues-with-joint-medical-recommendation/2836 "2024-10-17T13:54:12Z")
Hi Patient has transferred into us under section 2. Whilst scrutinising the paperwork for any invalidating errors it appears that the 1st doctor (joint med rec) completed the patients name and address where his name/add… --- ## [URGENT HELP use of a old form for s3 detention](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/t/urgent-help-use-of-a-old-form-for-s3-detention/2323)
**Author:** [@hewitth](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/u/hewitth)\ **Replies:** 4\ **Last updated:** [19 September 2024 13:43 UTC](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/t/urgent-help-use-of-a-old-form-for-s3-detention/2323 "2024-09-19T13:43:23Z")
A patient was sectioned under a S3 on 16/06/2022 the AMHP A is on a old form does this invalidate the section. It has only just come to light Thanks --- ## [H4 Dates](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/t/h4-dates/2722)
**Author:** [@hewitth](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/u/hewitth)\ **Replies:** 4\ **Last updated:** [13 September 2024 21:00 UTC](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/t/h4-dates/2722 "2024-09-13T21:00:33Z")
Can anyone clarify, some disagreements going on. Can part A on a H4 transfer form be dated before the patient is transferred (form already prepared two days ago dated 10/9/24), then part 2 completed on admission on the … --- ## [Section 3 - name of where treatment is available not mentioned on the A8 form](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/t/section-3-name-of-where-treatment-is-available-not-mentioned-on-the-a8-form/2537)
**Author:** [@Arthur](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/u/Arthur)\ **Replies:** 4\ **Last updated:** [26 June 2024 17:11 UTC](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/t/section-3-name-of-where-treatment-is-available-not-mentioned-on-the-a8-form/2537 "2024-06-26T17:11:18Z")
Hi, Regarding section 3 papers, when one medical recommendation did not mention the name of the hospital where the patient was admitted, can the papers be accepted and another medical recommendation requested? Or thi… --- ## [Admission without AMHP application](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/t/admission-without-amhp-application/2539)
**Author:** [@anonymous34](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/u/anonymous34)\ **Replies:** 4\ **Last updated:** [26 June 2024 08:00 UTC](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/t/admission-without-amhp-application/2539 "2024-06-26T08:00:24Z")
Hi - so patient admitted to a mental health unit (Friday). Nurse accepted section papers (2 med recs) and thought the AMHP report was the AMHP application and proceeded to complete form H3 (record of detention). Audit do… --- ## [Archiving Section Papers](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/t/archiving-section-papers/2431)
**Author:** [@hewitth](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/u/hewitth)\ **Replies:** 3\ **Last updated:** [11 May 2024 00:22 UTC](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/t/archiving-section-papers/2431 "2024-05-11T00:22:29Z")
Hi Does anyone know the legal requirement if archiving was going digital, do the original section papers have to be kept or can they be shredded once they have all been scanned into archiving storage. thanks [Next page](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/tag/mha-forms/46.md?match_all_tags=true&page=1&tags%5B%5D=mha-forms)