# S47/49 Determinate sentences and parole **URL:** \ **Category:** Mental Health Act\ **Tags:** parole\ **Created:** [24 August 2022 15:11 UTC](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/t/s47-49-determinate-sentences-and-parole/1188 "2022-08-24T15:11:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Karen](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/k/7feea3/32.png) [@Karen](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/u/Karen)\ **Post date:** [24 August 2022 15:11 UTC](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/t/s47-49-determinate-sentences-and-parole/1188/1 "2022-08-24T15:11:37Z")
Although I have dealt with a number of life sentenced prisoners and obtained parole hearings via s74 I find that I am unsure whether a transferred prisoner with a determinate sentence could also apply for parole via s74. I seem to remember that it is only life sentenced prisoners can apply for parole in hospital but on reading s74 I am less confident that this is correct. ---
**Author:** ![IANCAMPBELL](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/i/53a042/32.png) [@IANCAMPBELL](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/u/IANCAMPBELL)\ **Post date:** [24 August 2022 15:30 UTC](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/t/s47-49-determinate-sentences-and-parole/1188/2 "2022-08-24T15:30:51Z")
Hi Karen, If the individual were in prison and eligible to do so, I understand that PB applications can be made for example to seek a transfer to a lower category jail. When in hospital, the prisoner/patient is ineligible to apply to the PB at all save if the notification is given by a FTT and that will only be given if the s.74 test is made out of course i.e., eligibility for a CD or AD if were subject to 37/41. This is a problem for cat A prisoners who spend years in a hospital - they remain cat A as they can’t apply for a recategorisation while in hospital and that means after years of treatment, if transferred back to prison, they could be sent back to a cat A from a low secure mental health unit! Ian ---
**Author:** ![IANCAMPBELL](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/i/53a042/32.png) [@IANCAMPBELL](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/u/IANCAMPBELL)\ **Post date:** [24 August 2022 15:34 UTC](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/t/s47-49-determinate-sentences-and-parole/1188/3 "2022-08-24T15:34:53Z")
But to actually answer your question: I think it is possible but one would need to know if the patient is eligible, if he/she were in prison, to apply to the PB for release and that is something the MoJ should be able to confirm. ---
**Author:** ![Karen](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/k/7feea3/32.png) [@Karen](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/u/Karen)\ **Post date:** [24 August 2022 15:44 UTC](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/t/s47-49-determinate-sentences-and-parole/1188/4 "2022-08-24T15:44:32Z")
Thank you Ian. I seem to recall that it used to say in Jones that parole in hospital just related to life-sentenced prisoners but this part is no longer there. Does anyone have experience of a s74 tribunal triggering parole for a prisoner with a determinate sentence? ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/user_avatar/forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/jonathan/32/88_2.png) [@Jonathan](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/u/Jonathan)\ **Post date:** [24 August 2022 22:29 UTC](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/t/s47-49-determinate-sentences-and-parole/1188/5 "2022-08-24T22:29:37Z")
I agree with Ian that the question is whether the patient would be eligible for parole if still in prison. I’ll try to summarise what I think I know, in the hope that someone will fill in the gaps. Patients who were sentenced to any indeterminate sentence (life, imprisonment for public protection, and detention for public protection) can have a Parole Board at the tariff point, as described above. Generally, determinate-sentence prisoners are just automatically released at the half-way point, or sometimes at the two-thirds point (those sentenced recently to 7 years or more for a relevant violent or sexual offence), without any Parole Board involvement. Others instead become eligible for parole during their sentence – either at the half-way point (offenders of particular concern) or the two-thirds point (dangerous offenders subject to extended sentences, terrorists, and some old sentences of 4 years or more). There are likely other exceptions, and exceptions to the exceptions. Some further information is on the [Sections 47, 48 and 49: transferred prisoners](https://www.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/Sections_47,_48_and_49:_transferred_prisoners#Tribunal_procedure) page. ---
**Author:** ![Karen](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/k/7feea3/32.png) [@Karen](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/u/Karen)\ **Post date:** [27 August 2022 21:07 UTC](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/t/s47-49-determinate-sentences-and-parole/1188/8 "2022-08-27T21:07:17Z")
Thanks Jonathan that is helpful. What bearing does the EDR date have on parole entitlement? Of course that is the date that a determinate sentenced prisoner becomes notional but can you use that date to work out if they are eligible for parole? It only becomes an issue when you get someone with a very long determinate sentence where parole in hospital might be possible before they become notional. Given how long parole is taking in hospital that’s pretty rare. To clarify- I don’t mean that parole is taking 15 years! Just that usually a transferred prisoner with a long sentence is not likely to be ready for parole anyway for many years.