# Old MHAC MHA guides - have they been updated? **URL:** \ **Category:** Mental Health Act\ **Tags:** locating-documents\ **Created:** [15 February 2024 13:36 UTC](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/t/old-mhac-mha-guides-have-they-been-updated/2252 "2024-02-15T13:36:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![HelenR](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/h/9dc877/32.png) [@HelenR](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/u/HelenR)\ **Post date:** [15 February 2024 13:36 UTC](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/t/old-mhac-mha-guides-have-they-been-updated/2252/1 "2024-02-15T13:36:45Z")
Dear wise ones, The MHAC (predecessor to the CQC for the youngsters out there) used to have a series of guides relating to areas of the MHA. They were really useful and I’d like to find out if the guidance on consent to treatment was updated after the 2008 version that I’ve got and if so, whether I can have a copy… I can’t find anything on the website, but that may simply be my luddite tendencies. Thanks, Helen ---
**Author:** ![Rhian](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rhian](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/u/Rhian)\ **Post date:** [15 February 2024 15:27 UTC](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/t/old-mhac-mha-guides-have-they-been-updated/2252/2 "2024-02-15T15:27:30Z")
Hi Helen - your best hope is that Mat Kinton is a subscriber to this site, as if any one knows if they have been updated then he is the person who will know. ---
**Author:** ![drphilbarron](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@drphilbarron](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/u/drphilbarron)\ **Post date:** [15 February 2024 16:02 UTC](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/t/old-mhac-mha-guides-have-they-been-updated/2252/3 "2024-02-15T16:02:16Z")
Dear Helen I was recently appointed as one of 4 Lead SOADs for England, in addition to the principal SOAD. I know that the CQC produces occasional guidance, including for example a 2020 brief guide on competence and capacity for the under 18s, but I’m not aware of updating of previous MHAC guidance. Having taken on responsibility for the s61 scrutiny function, I am in the process of preparing guidance notes for ACs on this issue. I haven’t communicated with Mat K for a number of years and I’m not sure where he is. Best wishes Phil ---
**Author:** ![GuyDavis](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/g/eb9ed0/32.png) [@GuyDavis](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/u/GuyDavis)\ **Post date:** [15 February 2024 16:31 UTC](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/t/old-mhac-mha-guides-have-they-been-updated/2252/4 "2024-02-15T16:31:33Z")
As above, Mat will no doubt confirm, but I thought that the guides for organisations outside the CQC were all withdrawn. ---
**Author:** ![HelenR](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/h/9dc877/32.png) [@HelenR](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/u/HelenR)\ **Post date:** [19 February 2024 09:20 UTC](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/t/old-mhac-mha-guides-have-they-been-updated/2252/5 "2024-02-19T09:20:46Z")
Such a pity, they were well written! ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/user_avatar/forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/jonathan/32/88_2.png) [@Jonathan](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/u/Jonathan)\ **Post date:** [19 February 2024 17:37 UTC](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/t/old-mhac-mha-guides-have-they-been-updated/2252/6 "2024-02-19T17:37:52Z")
> [@HelenR](#): > > They were really useful and I’d like to find out if the guidance on consent to treatment was updated after the 2008 version that I’ve got and if so, whether I can have a copy… I think I have copies of all the guidance documents as re-issued by the CQC soon after its formation. They’re listed on the [Mental Health Act Commission](https://www.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/Mental_Health_Act_Commission) page. I’ve uploaded three of them to the website just now, as they seem potentially relevant to your question. One was updated in September 2009. - [CQC, ‘Guidance for SOADs: Consent to treatment and the SOAD role under the revised Mental Health Act’ (October 2008)](https://www.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/CQC,_%27Guidance_for_SOADs:_Consent_to_treatment_and_the_SOAD_role_under_the_revised_Mental_Health_Act%27_(October_2008)) - [CQC, ‘Guidance for clinicians and SOADs: the imposition of medical treatment in the absence of consent’ (October 2008)](https://www.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/CQC,_%27Guidance_for_clinicians_and_SOADs:_the_imposition_of_medical_treatment_in_the_absence_of_consent%27_(October_2008)) - [CQC, ‘Guidance note for Commissioners on consent to treatment and the Mental Health Act 1983’ (September 2009)](https://www.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/CQC,_%27Guidance_note_for_Commissioners_on_consent_to_treatment_and_the_Mental_Health_Act_1983%27_(September_2009)) ---
**Author:** ![HelenR](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/h/9dc877/32.png) [@HelenR](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/u/HelenR)\ **Post date:** [20 February 2024 09:26 UTC](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/t/old-mhac-mha-guides-have-they-been-updated/2252/7 "2024-02-20T09:26:23Z")
Thanks Jonathan, I have a couple more of the guides saved if you’d like them for the archive?