# Case (Hybrid order vs hospital order). R v Turner \[2025\] EWCA Crim 1867 **URL:** \ **Category:** MHLO updates\ **Created:** [25 April 2026 15:12 UTC](https://forum.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/t/case-hybrid-order-vs-hospital-order-r-v-turner-2025-ewca-crim-1867/5498 "2026-04-25T15:12:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Page:** 1
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— The appellant had been convicted of diminished responsibility manslaughter, for shooting a man in a pub with a crossbow, and given a life sentence with a minimum term of 7 years and 61 days alongside a hybrid order under s45A. He argued that he ought instead to have received a restricted hospital order or, alternatively, that the tariff was manifestly excessive. The Court of Appeal decided that the trial judge had correctly followed Sentencing Council, 'Manslaughter: Definitive guideline' (1 November 2018) in respect to both grounds, noting in particular that the court should consider a hybrid order prior to a hospital order, that the court should reflect upon the importance of the penal element in a sentence, and that the judge had been entitled to conclude when considering recall and wider public protection that a hybrid order was better in this case. * * * Full details available at: [https://www.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/R\_v\_Turner\_(2025)\_EWCA\_Crim\_1867?id=250426-1512](https://www.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/R_v_Turner_(2025)_EWCA_Crim_1867?id=250426-1512)